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	<title>Comments on: Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: So: is e-learning really failing in higher education? An answer &#171; Tony Bates</title>
		<link>http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/10/10/using-technology-to-improve-the-cost-effectiveness-of-the-academy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-19900</link>
		<dc:creator>So: is e-learning really failing in higher education? An answer &#171; Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 1 (the challenge for modern universities) Posted October 10, 2009 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Barriers to change: Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 3 &#171; Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barriers to change: Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 3 &#171; Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an earlier post (Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 1), I argued that higher education institutions were suffering systemic problems trying to deal with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly Edmonds</title>
		<link>http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/10/10/using-technology-to-improve-the-cost-effectiveness-of-the-academy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-18482</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Edmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response, Tony. And I agree that labour is a significant cost in education and using resources more effectively, like you suggest, is key. However, wouldn&#039;t these other human resources cost money as well?

Terry Anderson also mentions in his book &quot;The Theory and Practice of Online Learning&quot; that we might want to look at a new instructional design/course structure model of education and revisit &#039;one faculty member to a few students&#039; especially with online courses. Again, the cost of labour is high but it seems student still want instruction. Working on new ways to sustain quality learning experience yet maintaining costs is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, Tony. And I agree that labour is a significant cost in education and using resources more effectively, like you suggest, is key. However, wouldn&#8217;t these other human resources cost money as well?</p>
<p>Terry Anderson also mentions in his book &#8220;The Theory and Practice of Online Learning&#8221; that we might want to look at a new instructional design/course structure model of education and revisit &#8216;one faculty member to a few students&#8217; especially with online courses. Again, the cost of labour is high but it seems student still want instruction. Working on new ways to sustain quality learning experience yet maintaining costs is important.</p>
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		<title>By: Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens &#8211; Oct 17 09 &#124; Happened Lately</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens &#8211; Oct 17 09 &#124; Happened Lately</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Technology To Improve The Cost-Effectiveness of The Academy &#8211; Tony Bates explores using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy (and part 2). Toward the end of the second post, Tony offers a series of 10 implications. I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tony Bates</title>
		<link>http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/10/10/using-technology-to-improve-the-cost-effectiveness-of-the-academy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-18418</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Kelly

You are right - the most radical and difficult part of my vision is the concept of peer learning and student teaching. However, I cannot see how we can maintain a 1:20 ratio of tenured professors to students for all classes in all institutions. The system already in North America is highly dependent on contract or adjunct instructors  who are poorly paid and poorly trained (in terms of teaching methodology).

At the moment, some classes get to see their tenured research professor for one to three hours a week - along with 200 others in a large lecture class. In my scheme, tenured research professors would meet regularly with classes of 20 students or so, but mainly at graduate level, and more occasionally in the final year of an undergraduate program, but their main job at undergraduate level would be course design and course management (especially supervising assessment). I think this would be the best way to use a very scarce resource.

I agree though that this will not be possible to &#039;sell&#039; in most conventional universities, which is why I think we need new universities that start from scratch.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Kelly</p>
<p>You are right &#8211; the most radical and difficult part of my vision is the concept of peer learning and student teaching. However, I cannot see how we can maintain a 1:20 ratio of tenured professors to students for all classes in all institutions. The system already in North America is highly dependent on contract or adjunct instructors  who are poorly paid and poorly trained (in terms of teaching methodology).</p>
<p>At the moment, some classes get to see their tenured research professor for one to three hours a week &#8211; along with 200 others in a large lecture class. In my scheme, tenured research professors would meet regularly with classes of 20 students or so, but mainly at graduate level, and more occasionally in the final year of an undergraduate program, but their main job at undergraduate level would be course design and course management (especially supervising assessment). I think this would be the best way to use a very scarce resource.</p>
<p>I agree though that this will not be possible to &#8217;sell&#8217; in most conventional universities, which is why I think we need new universities that start from scratch.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Edmonds</title>
		<link>http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/10/10/using-technology-to-improve-the-cost-effectiveness-of-the-academy-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-18342</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Edmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Tony. I really like your ideas, especially the use of a consortium, network, team, and technology as well as self-paced learning. And, I love the idea of students reaching out to other worthy resources in thier lives to include in the learning process. 

However, one idea I am not sure would satisfy learners (graduate learners in this case, per my doctoral research) is not having the attention, feedback, and communication with the main instructor. Per my study, I wonder if this need is due to generational traits as older students learned differently placing a lot of emphasis on the teacher and his/her expertise. I wonder then, in your vision, if somehow the teaching team would need to be introduced differently to ensure their commitment, expertise, and value. This in turn might satisfy, at least the older learner, that they are being taught by qualified and recognized instructors. 

What do you think?

Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tony. I really like your ideas, especially the use of a consortium, network, team, and technology as well as self-paced learning. And, I love the idea of students reaching out to other worthy resources in thier lives to include in the learning process. </p>
<p>However, one idea I am not sure would satisfy learners (graduate learners in this case, per my doctoral research) is not having the attention, feedback, and communication with the main instructor. Per my study, I wonder if this need is due to generational traits as older students learned differently placing a lot of emphasis on the teacher and his/her expertise. I wonder then, in your vision, if somehow the teaching team would need to be introduced differently to ensure their commitment, expertise, and value. This in turn might satisfy, at least the older learner, that they are being taught by qualified and recognized instructors. </p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Technology and the future of Higher Education &#124; The midden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technology and the future of Higher Education &#124; The midden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2 posts (Part 1 and Part 2) by Tony Bates, consider the need for change in Higher Education and the role that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens &#8211; Oct 17 09 &#171; Argument</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens &#8211; Oct 17 09 &#171; Argument</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Technology To Improve The Cost-Effectiveness of The Academy &#8211; Tony Bates explores using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy (and part 2). Toward the end of the second post, Tony offers a series of 10 implications. I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy &#8211; elearnspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy &#8211; elearnspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bates explores using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy (and part 2). After exploring the challenges faced by universities, Tony concludes, logically, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A vision for the future: Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 2 &#171; Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>A vision for the future: Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 2 &#171; Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on October 14th, 2009 Identifying the problem with higher education in the 21st was the easy part (Using technology to improve the cost-effectiveness of the academy: Part 1). Much more difficult is finding solutions to the [...]</description>
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