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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s right and what&#8217;s wrong about Coursera-style MOOCs by R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 19:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of cry babies. Hello free education, material, quizzes peer grading. Its not easy to personalize. You must realize there must be tradeoffs!!!  Its common sense. It is not the same as traditional. Complain al, you want im still learning a lot. Talk about whining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of cry babies. Hello free education, material, quizzes peer grading. Its not easy to personalize. You must realize there must be tradeoffs!!!  Its common sense. It is not the same as traditional. Complain al, you want im still learning a lot. Talk about whining.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What&#8217;s going on at Athabasca University? by worried wart</title>
		<link>http://www.tonybates.ca/2013/02/25/whats-going-on-at-athabasca-university/comment-page-1/#comment-413658</link>
		<dc:creator>worried wart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 15:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a bit worried as a distance student in Toronto. I am completing courses towards the CMA designation. I like the flexibility as a small business owner.It is very difficult to communicate with the staff. It was not always like this. I may not get credit for a course I am doing.I think I will continue my education in Toronto. I don&#039;t want to get caught in the storm. They are doing nothing to reassure me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bit worried as a distance student in Toronto. I am completing courses towards the CMA designation. I like the flexibility as a small business owner.It is very difficult to communicate with the staff. It was not always like this. I may not get credit for a course I am doing.I think I will continue my education in Toronto. I don&#8217;t want to get caught in the storm. They are doing nothing to reassure me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Una mirada personal sobre el uso de tecnologías digitales en la formación de docentes en los INFDs de Argentina. by formación online</title>
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		<dc:creator>formación online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 11:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muy interesante gracias por compartirlo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muy interesante gracias por compartirlo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussing design models for hybrid/blended learning and the impact on the campus by Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 03:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice story, Howard.
Yes, I guess that sums up my law of equal substitution - it all depends on the context. A good teacher and well intentioned students can carry a class, no matter the medium (another one of my &#039;laws!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice story, Howard.<br />
Yes, I guess that sums up my law of equal substitution &#8211; it all depends on the context. A good teacher and well intentioned students can carry a class, no matter the medium (another one of my &#8216;laws!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussing design models for hybrid/blended learning and the impact on the campus by Howard Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 13:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony, not to muddle your observation about &quot;high/low&quot; emotional meetings since I agree with it, but I have direct experience which contradicts the notion. 

I used to teach a course on &quot;Contemporary Spiritual Writing,&quot; which was primarily a discussion about spiritual issues as reflected in contemporary articles, journals, etc. The class was online, 100% asynchronous, and what was remarkable about the eight week experience (a summer course) was the degree of participation and intellectual and emotional commitment of the students. As I recall we had about 18  students, and the approach was fairly straightforward. The course was set up around &quot;themes,e.g., spiritual journey, life transitions, etc. I set up the assignments, often, with a short presentation-- a few pages of text and images, videos, etc. and asked students to read relevant articles in our anthologies. Students were divided into groups and expected to work through questions about readings as a team and then pose a team response and question to the class discussion board. Actually a pretty traditional approach. (They also kept a variety of journals.)

What was remarkable, though, was the work on the group level. Students quickly bonded and invested themselves in the conversations as they wrangled with some pretty deep issues. Teams would post summaries of their conversation which included an &quot;answer&quot; to the question prompt, and then they would be a discussion free- for-all on the open class forum comparing/analyzing the summaries from the various groups.

Maybe it was because the students were self-selected,and they made emotional/spiritual connections  with life-death matters, but there was a resonance with the subject and a sense of engagement, which I rarely experienced in a F2F class. Students spoke freely about their spiritual journey and struggle, and there was an overriding civility and compassion that to my mind was amazing. Not to go on about this, but it ranks as one of the best teaching experiences I&#039;ve ever had, and I&#039;d say the students found it transformational.

Certainly this isn&#039;t unique to me--other instructors have had similar experiences. I guess we&#039;re still left with your question about needing research to better understand how we pick our learning spaces for a hybrid course.

One last note: later that summer as I was walking by the campus bookstore someone called out my name. It turned out to be one of the students from that class. She had recognized me because I had created an introductory video, but I didn&#039;t recognize her since I didn&#039;t require students to post pictures of themselves. How ironic, had she not stopped me (and we had a most wonderful conversation which picked up where we left off in class online) I would have walked by one of my students from that class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony, not to muddle your observation about &#8220;high/low&#8221; emotional meetings since I agree with it, but I have direct experience which contradicts the notion. </p>
<p>I used to teach a course on &#8220;Contemporary Spiritual Writing,&#8221; which was primarily a discussion about spiritual issues as reflected in contemporary articles, journals, etc. The class was online, 100% asynchronous, and what was remarkable about the eight week experience (a summer course) was the degree of participation and intellectual and emotional commitment of the students. As I recall we had about 18  students, and the approach was fairly straightforward. The course was set up around &#8220;themes,e.g., spiritual journey, life transitions, etc. I set up the assignments, often, with a short presentation&#8211; a few pages of text and images, videos, etc. and asked students to read relevant articles in our anthologies. Students were divided into groups and expected to work through questions about readings as a team and then pose a team response and question to the class discussion board. Actually a pretty traditional approach. (They also kept a variety of journals.)</p>
<p>What was remarkable, though, was the work on the group level. Students quickly bonded and invested themselves in the conversations as they wrangled with some pretty deep issues. Teams would post summaries of their conversation which included an &#8220;answer&#8221; to the question prompt, and then they would be a discussion free- for-all on the open class forum comparing/analyzing the summaries from the various groups.</p>
<p>Maybe it was because the students were self-selected,and they made emotional/spiritual connections  with life-death matters, but there was a resonance with the subject and a sense of engagement, which I rarely experienced in a F2F class. Students spoke freely about their spiritual journey and struggle, and there was an overriding civility and compassion that to my mind was amazing. Not to go on about this, but it ranks as one of the best teaching experiences I&#8217;ve ever had, and I&#8217;d say the students found it transformational.</p>
<p>Certainly this isn&#8217;t unique to me&#8211;other instructors have had similar experiences. I guess we&#8217;re still left with your question about needing research to better understand how we pick our learning spaces for a hybrid course.</p>
<p>One last note: later that summer as I was walking by the campus bookstore someone called out my name. It turned out to be one of the students from that class. She had recognized me because I had created an introductory video, but I didn&#8217;t recognize her since I didn&#8217;t require students to post pictures of themselves. How ironic, had she not stopped me (and we had a most wonderful conversation which picked up where we left off in class online) I would have walked by one of my students from that class.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussing design models for hybrid/blended learning and the impact on the campus by Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 21:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments, Denise.
I agree: I think &#039;non-academic&#039; or non-content issues, such as availability of support, cost, student needs, and methods of working to design, develop and deliver teaching are all likely to be stronger determinants of when to go online and when to teach face-to-face than academic objectives, although there will always be some exceptions to the law of equal substitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, Denise.<br />
I agree: I think &#8216;non-academic&#8217; or non-content issues, such as availability of support, cost, student needs, and methods of working to design, develop and deliver teaching are all likely to be stronger determinants of when to go online and when to teach face-to-face than academic objectives, although there will always be some exceptions to the law of equal substitution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussing design models for hybrid/blended learning and the impact on the campus by Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 21:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this comment, Howard.
Your &#039;flipped&#039; question is an interesting one. I think at an exploratory stage, for brainstorming, etc., a face-to-face environment was necessary, but after that the conversation could easily have been continued and elaborated online
I know a lot of research was done by telephone companies when video-conferencing first became popular. The aim was to identify what kinds of meetings or topics were best done face-to-face, and which by video-conferencing. In general it was found that video-conferencing is better for &#039;low emotional&#039; meetings, where straight information is being shared or where rationality and logic were likely to result in decision-making, whereas &#039;high emotional&#039; topics are best handled in a face-to-face context (but presumably without weapons). Thus some forms of decision-making could be handled remotely, but others couldn&#039;t. Now I can&#039;t find that research, so if anyone can direct me to it I&#039;d be really grateful.
Your Boston Architecture example also suggests there is probably a lot of research already done around space planning in buildings that could throw some light on the issue of what works best in a face-to-face environment and what doesn&#039;t. The whole recent discussion around tele-commmuting also makes me think some research must have been done in this area that would be helpful (although it&#039;s ironic that Yahoo, an online company, would ban tele-commuting - perhaps they know something that we don&#039;t!)
All this is to emphasise that we need more evidence-based research on the differences between studying online and face-to-face; and if that research already exists we need to dig it up. At the same time, it might be helpful to start from the law of equal substitution - that in most cases it doesn&#039;t matter - then establish evidence-based examples of where it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this comment, Howard.<br />
Your &#8216;flipped&#8217; question is an interesting one. I think at an exploratory stage, for brainstorming, etc., a face-to-face environment was necessary, but after that the conversation could easily have been continued and elaborated online<br />
I know a lot of research was done by telephone companies when video-conferencing first became popular. The aim was to identify what kinds of meetings or topics were best done face-to-face, and which by video-conferencing. In general it was found that video-conferencing is better for &#8216;low emotional&#8217; meetings, where straight information is being shared or where rationality and logic were likely to result in decision-making, whereas &#8216;high emotional&#8217; topics are best handled in a face-to-face context (but presumably without weapons). Thus some forms of decision-making could be handled remotely, but others couldn&#8217;t. Now I can&#8217;t find that research, so if anyone can direct me to it I&#8217;d be really grateful.<br />
Your Boston Architecture example also suggests there is probably a lot of research already done around space planning in buildings that could throw some light on the issue of what works best in a face-to-face environment and what doesn&#8217;t. The whole recent discussion around tele-commmuting also makes me think some research must have been done in this area that would be helpful (although it&#8217;s ironic that Yahoo, an online company, would ban tele-commuting &#8211; perhaps they know something that we don&#8217;t!)<br />
All this is to emphasise that we need more evidence-based research on the differences between studying online and face-to-face; and if that research already exists we need to dig it up. At the same time, it might be helpful to start from the law of equal substitution &#8211; that in most cases it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; then establish evidence-based examples of where it does.</p>
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		<title>Comment on e-learning outlook for 2012: will it be a rough ride? by Math Calculus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Math Calculus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will not be tough as long as the educators are going to do their best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will not be tough as long as the educators are going to do their best</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussing design models for hybrid/blended learning and the impact on the campus by Denise Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 10:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony,
Thanks for sharing your discussion of design models of hybrid/blended learning. Important considerations of whether the learning will take place face-to-face or online are the resources available for instructional design and the &quot;teacher presence&quot; effort to be expended. While resources may be saved in less use of facilities for f-t-f teaching/learning, extra efforts generally are required to design and deliver online. Some faculty and students will naturally be attracted to the face-to-face environment because of their comfort level with the environment and the decreased chances for technology glitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony,<br />
Thanks for sharing your discussion of design models of hybrid/blended learning. Important considerations of whether the learning will take place face-to-face or online are the resources available for instructional design and the &#8220;teacher presence&#8221; effort to be expended. While resources may be saved in less use of facilities for f-t-f teaching/learning, extra efforts generally are required to design and deliver online. Some faculty and students will naturally be attracted to the face-to-face environment because of their comfort level with the environment and the decreased chances for technology glitches.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussing design models for hybrid/blended learning and the impact on the campus by Howard Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, just to flip your question a bit: how would your F2F workshop have differed if it had been held online? Would you and the participants have reached similar conclusions? Do you think you would have had the same intensity and focus?

In your closing paragraph you note that &quot;Online and hybrid learning provides a chance to re-think the role and purpose of the whole university campus, as well as what we should be doing in classrooms when students have online learning available any time and anywhere.&quot; I think  that&#039;s the nub of the matter. As soon as we realize that learning can happening in online, F2F, and hybrid spaces, then the question is not only what is the whole campus experience about, but what&#039;s the intents and purposes of education itself? We have to move, it seems, beyond higher and hire education to something else.

I. You could argue, as Mark does, that F2F, is a good starting point for students to meet each other and develop rapport as part of a hybrid learning environment, but community building, if that&#039;s what we want to call it, can also happen online and move to a F2F experience. Consider Meetup, and hybrid courses where students meet first online and then get together in a physical classroom. If a campus has faculty with particular expertise,  specific resources, facilities, campus organizations, projects, events, etc., then that might warrant using the campus.

2. If we consider online and F2F as learning spaces, then the question might be if we have a particular assignment, program, etc., which &quot;space&quot; helps maximize the learning experience, develops community, student engagement, etc., etc.?

3. Boston Architecture College offers a unique distance Master of Architecture degree. It&#039;s a low residency program in which students, who already have jobs at design firms around the country, work on their projects online, and then once a semester they come to Boston for an intense week-long studio and residency. Perhaps it&#039;s the very nature of &quot;design thinking&quot; learning, but this model provides a tremendous opportunity for collaboration, skill building, critical thinking, and overall student engagement and faculty mentoring. I think that their hybrid model is even more powerful than the on-the-ground Master&#039;s degree as students can connect and share design work online, which culminates each semester in their on-campus residency.  All to say, that I think this model (I&#039;m prejudiced--I was the former VP of online learning) has figured out how to best use each learning environment to its advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, just to flip your question a bit: how would your F2F workshop have differed if it had been held online? Would you and the participants have reached similar conclusions? Do you think you would have had the same intensity and focus?</p>
<p>In your closing paragraph you note that &#8220;Online and hybrid learning provides a chance to re-think the role and purpose of the whole university campus, as well as what we should be doing in classrooms when students have online learning available any time and anywhere.&#8221; I think  that&#8217;s the nub of the matter. As soon as we realize that learning can happening in online, F2F, and hybrid spaces, then the question is not only what is the whole campus experience about, but what&#8217;s the intents and purposes of education itself? We have to move, it seems, beyond higher and hire education to something else.</p>
<p>I. You could argue, as Mark does, that F2F, is a good starting point for students to meet each other and develop rapport as part of a hybrid learning environment, but community building, if that&#8217;s what we want to call it, can also happen online and move to a F2F experience. Consider Meetup, and hybrid courses where students meet first online and then get together in a physical classroom. If a campus has faculty with particular expertise,  specific resources, facilities, campus organizations, projects, events, etc., then that might warrant using the campus.</p>
<p>2. If we consider online and F2F as learning spaces, then the question might be if we have a particular assignment, program, etc., which &#8220;space&#8221; helps maximize the learning experience, develops community, student engagement, etc., etc.?</p>
<p>3. Boston Architecture College offers a unique distance Master of Architecture degree. It&#8217;s a low residency program in which students, who already have jobs at design firms around the country, work on their projects online, and then once a semester they come to Boston for an intense week-long studio and residency. Perhaps it&#8217;s the very nature of &#8220;design thinking&#8221; learning, but this model provides a tremendous opportunity for collaboration, skill building, critical thinking, and overall student engagement and faculty mentoring. I think that their hybrid model is even more powerful than the on-the-ground Master&#8217;s degree as students can connect and share design work online, which culminates each semester in their on-campus residency.  All to say, that I think this model (I&#8217;m prejudiced&#8211;I was the former VP of online learning) has figured out how to best use each learning environment to its advantage.</p>
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