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  1. Mark Smithers (@marksmithers)
    November 12, 2012 - 5:13 pm

    Hi Tony,

    Totally agree with your final comments and yes, it should be easy for universities to open their courses using their existing LMS. In practice many universities have developed unnecessarily complex, tight integrations between student management systems that manage both the population of student enrolments in the LMS and, often, user authentication. The end result means that it is difficult to simply open up existing courses.

    Mind you, in my experience, only a tiny fraction of courses in many university LMSs should be allowed to see the light of day. The vast majority present a huge risk to a uni’s reputation. That’s without even starting to look at the enormous copyright issues that arises from many academic staff members willful ignorance of copyright rules.

    Cheers

    Mark

  2. Muvaffak GOZAYDIN
    November 14, 2012 - 4:16 am

    Hi Tony
    I am so glad you opened up the discussion the fine line of MOOCs. or rather overall online strategy of the world .

    1.- ONLINE has been misused by for profit schools ( even making $ 1 billion profiti you know who is that ) ; unfortunately online has been misused by private and even state universities too .
    They charged the same tuition to online courses just to make money since there was a demand . Therefore even state universities made huge profits , but where those profits gone, that is a question too .

    2.- Elite universities did not go into online business. The reputation of online was so bad how come they would involve with it . They did not make their name be dirty with the notion of online .

    3.- So 1300 colleges are now offerring credit and degree programs with online .( I went to 2 of them by paying $ 1,500 per course , Not satisfactory at all .) All selling courses at $ 1,500 level . Shame on them . A small scale and sure expensive courses, even no quality at all .

    People did not complain about the quality of these degrees for 15 years, now they critisize the quality of online provided by MIT and Harvard . And say ” how MITx can provide credits,” even though they did not start to give credits .

    4.- MIT as always with great wisdom started online strategy in 2001 by OCW .
    I suggested to them at that time to provide online. They said no . I was too quick to jump ahead . But they were not . They had a long term strategy. Now they have 100,000,000 students and teachers around the world .

    In December 2011 they declared MITx . I wonder if Coursera knew about MITx when they decided Coursera .

    Be careful MITx is still very cautious about how to progress . They watch out .
    They know very good that they can sell a course at $ 10 to millions in the world . But they do not want to be disruptive . They want people to digest the whole things .

    In a way Coursera came at the right time . They are marketing genius . They made online famous within 4-5 months. Tony you and I and even Sloan Consorsium could not do it in 20 years .

    5.- I am opposing your idea of providing 2 kinds of online in one college, for fee and credit + no fee no credit .
    a) Not all colleges can provide online, it requires scale .

    b) Since the cost is much lower then colleges should have supplied online courses to everybody at cost + a reasonable profit. Difference between online and oncampus could have been huge. But let it be . Then the college would register more online students also enrich its online courses by the profits it makes There would 1/4 oncampus and 3/4 online students . What was wrong with that .

    Plus it could share its online courses by other colleges too . And today there would not be a HE problem of USA . You are one of the partner to that situation .

    6.- Today EDX is doing the right thing. But it will take time for them to provide a degree , maybe 4-5-6 years . The best solution for time being is ” colleges should adopt edx and some coursera courses in their curriculum and award credit toward degrees of their school. That would save the colleges as well . see my blog
    http://www.savecolleges.blogspot.com

    7.- I appreciate Coursera for their making MOOCs famous . But they should be more careful to accept members to Coursera . More schools would cease the quality of Coursera and elite schools start to pull out .

    There are lots to be said. But Tony you are the professional , I am an amateur .
    Professional people of a country should convince the policy makers .
    Duncan was willing to listen to MOOCers some time ago . What happened . ?

  3. Muvaffak GOZAYDIN
    November 14, 2012 - 4:20 am

    The best solution now is the solution made by ANTIOCH University.

    Share the the courses of MOOCs
    1.- Assign a facilitator to each online courses
    2.- Give credits toward a degree
    3.- Adopt as many as possible online courses from good quality MOOCs .

    Automaticaly existing bad online degree programs will be closed .

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